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17.02.2020 в 02:32, Uighur сказал:

По тонкому льду ходите :) 

Авары были тюркоязычны. Останки Аваров европеоидной внешности. Знать - монголоидна.  

Знать аваров - по гг - соответствует современным бурятам (племя хори). А хори - по легендам - с Байкала. (4 век)

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2 hours ago, asan-kaygy said:

 

During the Late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages the original Chinese name of the Bulgarians in Inner Asia is Xiongnu 匈奴, in the Russian and Western Languages: Hunnu, Syunnu, Huns. The Bulgarians Hunnu appear for the first time around Altai on the Mongol Plateau in the year 2,205 BC and, in this way they are recorded in history at least twenty centuries. Since then and later on the Chinese give them names like Hu, Xiongnu or Hsiung-nu (Chinese: 匈奴), Xunyu 獯粥, Jie (Цзэ in Russian transcription), (Pronounced Chie, roost), Xiongnu 匈奴, Hunyu 荤粥 χịən/χịuən-tịok/tśịuk, Xianyun, 猃狁 glịam/lịam-zịwən/ịuĕn, Eastern Hu or Dong Hu , Buluoji 部洛稽 ba-rhāk-kīj, bo-lhāk-kiej, b'uo-lak-kiei, Poliuhan, Bulugen, Pugu, Bohu, Hu чужденец; варвар“, рус. инородец; дальний народ“, and others.

I imagine that all Turcologists accept Professor Pritsak’s contentions in his recent book Die Bulgarischen Fürstenliste und die Sprache der Protobulgaren (Wiesbaden, 1955), that the Hsiung-nu of the Chinese histories were, broadly speaking, the ancestors of the European Huns, and the European Huns the ancestors of the Protobulgars. Chuvash is a direct descendant of ancient Bulgar; Bulgar, in its turn, a later form of the language of the Hsiung-nu [Clauson 2014, 178-179].

We would like to point out more prominent evidence for the -r ending in the name Buluoji, which in fact creates a direct correspondence between the names Buluoji and Bulgar/Bular. This is the -n ending in the variants Poluohan/Poliuhan, Buliuhan, Buluojian and Bulugen, attested mostly in personal names. It is well-known that Chinese -n was frequently used to transcribe a foreign -r/l [Chen 2014, 3].

In the early sixth century when the Tuoba Wei dynasty disintegrated in the wake of the Six-Garrison Revolt, there appeared in northern China a Hu “Barbarian” group with the name Buluoji (middle Chinese pronunciation b’uo lak-kiei), also known as Jihu. The late Peter Boodberg was the first to identify this ethnonym with that of the Volga and Danube Bulgars.

To summarize, the Buluoji/Bulgars of China appear to be a group consisting of the remnants of the Xiongnu confederation that were not absorbed by the succeeding Xianbei conglomerate, with a conspicuous Europoid admixture. Their cultur and linguistic affinity seems mostly Altaic [Chen 2014, 1-8].

We submit that the ethnonym Buluoji/Bulgar may serve as the missing link for the change of the primary meaning of the hu designation, which happened to coincide with the appearance of the Zahu in the Northern dynasties. The fact that Buluoji/Bulgar was the last name for the Zahu was not a mere accident. As we have examined earlier, the evolution of the Zahu included the increasing Caucasian elements in the former Xiongnu groups [Chen 2017, 7].

So the transcription of the Poem for Pugu, before being written through the means of the Chinese hieroglyphs, fully acquires a certain form, within which its lexico-phonetical and grammatical components are being further motivated and proven:

Süčig täligar

Puguγ tоγuduγar

Therefore the Poem for Pugu must be translated in the following manner, which best matches and repeats the logic and the course of the real events:

If the commander-in-chief goes to war,

The Pugu tribe will be defeated.

The Poem for Pugu is the oldest and most precious fully-connected text in Bolgarian language, and by and large in Bulgarian and more generally in Turkic language. That is why it is one of the most powerful and extremely important testimonies and evidences for the Bolgarian origin and the ethnicity of the Inner Asian Xiongnu:

http://bolgnames.com/Images/Xiongnu.pdf

http://bolgnames.com/Images/GreatWall_1.pdf

http://bolgnames.com/Images/GreatWall_2.pdf

http://bolgnames.com/Images/GreatWall_3.pdf

http://turkologiya.org/saylar/2015-4/2015-4-6.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_xugDMtXtU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDw6wp65Rj4

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07.07.2017 в 12:38, Hungar сказал:

Если бы сяньби были прото-монголами, то вы говорили бы не на монгольском, а на киданьском. Что-то похожее на даурский. Сяньби -  пара-монголы, параллельная ветвь не оставившая потомков.

Насчёт сяньби=>савиры и авары=> ухуани оставим на совести Добрева. 

Никакие савиры не сяньби. А ухуани - это как раз прото-монголы: останки дунху, разгромленные шаньюем Моде и запертые в Южной Маньчжурии. Их потом завоёвывали сяньби [предки киданей], китайцы - они даже бежали в Ляодун от них. :D

 

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11 часов назад, Савир сказал:

 

Дунху (вост варвары) предки - Сянби, эти в свою очередь предки  монгол, шивэй , татар, жужан.  Кто виноват в том   что тюрков - онгутов , китайцы тоже звали татарами? Для них все варвары были на одно лицо, позже и русские всех ,  от азербайджанцев до тунгусов звали татарами, а щас начались всякие спекуляции от всяких - разных якобы " татар". Хотя ведь древние их недвусмысленно отличали ,   ибо племя - Дурут из тюрков , а Токсаба из татар. Или : " ...и земля победила кровь , и стали татары точно кыпчаки..." видели древние разницу , только ведь никогда не признаете правду, включая и ваших историков...

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1 час назад, mechenosec сказал:

Дунху (вост варвары) предки - Сянби, эти в свою очередь предки  монгол, шивэй , татар, жужан.  Кто виноват в том   что тюрков - онгутов , китайцы тоже звали татарами? Для них все варвары были на одно лицо, позже и русские всех ,  от азербайджанцев до тунгусов звали татарами, а щас начались всякие спекуляции от всяких - разных якобы " татар". Хотя ведь древние их недвусмысленно отличали ,   ибо племя - Дурут из тюрков , а Токсаба из татар. Или : " ...и земля победила кровь , и стали татары точно кыпчаки..." видели древние разницу , только ведь никогда не признаете правду, включая и ваших историков...

 

Сплошной бред, всё в кучу, солдатская каша.

 

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